3. What Makes Indie Movies "Successful?" // The Rollers Diaries Vol. 3


What makes an indie movie successful? Money? Critical Success? And why are Broadway musicals so damn long? Jon and Zay also recap their wild adventures with the homeless residents of NYC and LA.


Show Notes

0:00 - 9:00 | Jon and Zay cover Broadway and Jon’s NYC exploits.

9:00 - 33:26 | Zay and Jon cover Zay’s responds to the theoretical haters. What if you’re you’re good enough to make it? What does success look like? What are Zay’s weaknesses as a director? Is there a difference between films and movies? Is it more important to make a critically or financially successful movie? Do you have to choose? How do you cover important issues in movies in a way that has staying power?

33:30 - The Mail Bag (and a little salute to Teddy Bronson)

35:00 - Where do ideas and inspiration come from?

37:05 - 42:10 - Zay recounts his wonderful experience at David Chang’s Restaurant, [Majordomo](https://www.majordomo.la/)

42:10 - 46:15 - Jon and Zay’s Adventures with the homeless (and not-homeless)

46:15 - 57:00 - Project update on Rollers / Zay’s almost got a casting director and he’s talking to producers (and more adventures with the homeless)

59:20 - Zay (who just started playing guitar) plays a horrible cover of “Take Me Home, Country Roads.

Links Etc.

Rodgers and Hammerstein’s Carousel on Broadway | Website | “A Real Nice Clambake” from Carousel

The Play That Goes Wrong | Website

Hunter Gatherer | Director: Josh Locy

Annihilation Trailer

Monster Trucks | Trailer

"Friday" Music Video | Side note: the video has 123,120,758 views as of today’s date

A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole | Buy it on Amazon!

“HBO Must Get Bigger and Broader, Says Its New Overseer” | Read it on the New York Times

Barry on HBO | Watch the Trailer

Operation Midnight Climax | This is some crazy shit

Won’t You Be My Neighbor | Watch the Trailer

The David Chang Experience

  • Majordomo, Los Angeles | Website
  • Momofuku, New York | Website
  • The Dave Chang Show Podcast | Website (although don’t listen to it because you should listen to I guess we’ll Do It That Way)
  • Momofuku Cook Book | Buy it on Amazon

The Balthazar Cookbook | Buy it on Amazon

An excellent international organization that helps people with mental illness | Website

Harmony Korine | IMDB | Correction: The film is called Fight Harm | Wikipedia

Santa Sangre | IMDB

Bruce Springsteen has been married for 27 years | "Bruce Springsteen and Patti Scialfa's Love Story Proves They Were Always Meant to be Together"


Credits and Personal Links:

A Mama Bear Studios Production // Mama Bear Studios’ Website

Produced and Edited by: Isaiah Smallman

Executive Producer: Jon Schimpf

Opening music: "The Get Down," Produced by Summer Dregs

Outro music: Composed and Recorded by Tom Paulus and Max Belz

Cover Art by: Nate Giordano

Show Website | Doitthatway.stream

Show Twitter | @Doitthatwaypod

Jon Twitter

Isaiah Instagram

Isaiah IMDB

Isaiah’s Twitter (which he never uses)

Isaiah LinkedIn