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About The Show

“I Guess We’ll Do it That Way” is a conversational comedy podcast where Isaiah Smallman and Jon Schimpf talk about life, pop culture and Zay's progress as he directs his first feature film, Rollers, a dramatic comedy about a struggling concert venue.

When they're not on a random tangent, Jon grills Isaiah about the actual process of making an independent movie. How do you get actors to sign on? Where do you get money? What do producers do? What happens if the movie's terrible?! At the end of the day there are things Isaiah doesn't know... like will this movie even get made? But that's the real fun of the show. Because when you're making a movie you start with a vision and you make a plan. Then you realize your plan was never actually going to work and you begin the real job: making choices, finding compromises, and trying to build your vision in spite of the constant hailstorm of reality raining down on your parade.

Episodes of “I Guess We’ll Do it That Way” will also feature:

  • Interviews with members of the Rollers team
  • Q&A with listeners
  • Interviews with industry experts (lots of famous people)
  • There might even be the occasional movie review!

About the Hosts

  Isaiah Smallman   Isaiah has been writing, directing and editing his own work since the 8th grade. In fact,  here's a little treat from a previous life . But it wasn’t until 2015, after unsuccessfully attempting to abandon his dream of a career in film, that he co-founded Mama Bear Studios, with the mission to “Create entertaining works of art that explore our humanity.” In 2012 he produced the feature documentary “Build Me a World.” In 2015, he produced the SXSW award winning “Hunter Gatherer,” which was distributed by the Orchard and nominated for the John Cassavetes Independent Spirit Award. He also Executive Produced “Dayveon,” which played Sundance and Berlin in 2017 and was also nominated for the Cassavetes Award. In 2017 he executive produced “Never Goin’ Back,” which premiered at Sundance and was acquired by A24.   Instagram & Twitter |  @ZaySmallman

Isaiah Smallman

Isaiah has been writing, directing and editing his own work since the 8th grade. In fact, here's a little treat from a previous life. But it wasn’t until 2015, after unsuccessfully attempting to abandon his dream of a career in film, that he co-founded Mama Bear Studios, with the mission to “Create entertaining works of art that explore our humanity.” In 2012 he produced the feature documentary “Build Me a World.” In 2015, he produced the SXSW award winning “Hunter Gatherer,” which was distributed by the Orchard and nominated for the John Cassavetes Independent Spirit Award. He also Executive Produced “Dayveon,” which played Sundance and Berlin in 2017 and was also nominated for the Cassavetes Award. In 2017 he executive produced “Never Goin’ Back,” which premiered at Sundance and was acquired by A24. 

Instagram & Twitter | @ZaySmallman


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Jon Schimpf

Jon was born in a laboratory in New Jersey, engineered to be the perfect co-host for "I Guess We'll Do It That Way." He was circumcised by Bruce Springsteen.

Twitter | @JonTwitter